There was some surprise among readers, apparently, at the link I provided to my conversation with Michael Robbins on the Commonweal online site, as well as at some of the chatter in the comments section that followed, because of what it revealed about my fondness for certain kinds of popular music. I have to be honest, I have never thought a love of the classical tradition of Western music somehow precludes an appreciation for any other grand musical tradition or genreāJapanese, Chinese, Indian, Malian, Indonesian, Melanesian, Brazilian, Ragtime, Jazz, Rhythm and Blues, Rock, or what have you. So long as the music is intrinsically good, it is just music to me. (Mind you, there is a disagreement between Michael and me on just this point, as he is willing to tolerate very bad pop musicians if they are doing something that he findsā¦I donāt know exactly what. Authentic, perhaps, or raw, orā¦ Well, I can ask him later.)
Anyway, one of the readers of Leaves, Manil, provided a link to an interview I had done about four years ago and then oddly forgotten (the COVID shutdown probably has a good deal to do with that). The occasion was the 2018 āInnocence and Experienceā tour by U2, which at intermission featured a short animated feature whose āpayoffā was a line from The Experience of God (unattributed)āa line I think Bono had picked up from a review of the bandās āExperienceā album that had happened to quote it. I was unaware of this until my interviewerāScott Calhounātold me about it. On discovering the borrowing, I made only the smallest of demands: I wanted Bono to send me a pair of cool sunglasses like the ones he regularly wears. Sadly, they never came. I really need my people to get in touch with his people to see whether we can fix this. First, though, I have to get some people. (Applicants solicited.)
Whatever the case, having re-read the interview for the first time since it originally appeared, I find it strikes me as rather good (if I do say so myself). Calhoun seems to have known how to ask the interesting questions.
Btw, speaking of being a star, you were just quoted by actor and writer Rainn Wilson (of Dwight Schrute fame in The Office). He quoted this same āwisdom is the recovery of innocence at the far end of experienceā line four hours ago on his fb author page, and the reactions are extensiveā¦
Authenticity is the enemy of art. But youāll have to tell me what ābad pop artistsā you have in mind. If you refer to metal, it is a vast category, with as much variety in technical mastery as any other genre. I could play you metal you'd grudgingly concede was not "bad." But maybe you mean, like, Taylor Swift? Btw, I'm glad to hear you enjoy some Malian music. How about the Congolese colossi? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zZyGkGN7Sw