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David Artman's avatar

As I muse over these remarks by Dr. Hart on a rainy Saturday morning, fueled by a fresh cup of coffee, it occurs to me that post-modernism is really just a repackaging of modernism’s desire for things such as personal self-determination, self-creation, libertarian free-will, and a mechanistic view of nature.

But what is this drive to escape the God-givenness of creation other than the desire to escape the Augustinian “monster-God” of Western Civilization?

The solution is not to become ever more modern - to flee, perhaps, into a post-post-modernity.

The solution, it seems to me, is to realize that back in the pre-modern world there exists already all the insights we need. Once we get a vision of a truly good God, such as we find in Gregory of Nyssa, and others, there is no need, no rationale, to desire self-determination and libertarian free will at all - much less a mechanistic view of the world.

It seems to me that one of the great gifts of philosophy is its ability to question the internal coherence, or incoherence, of systems of thought - particularly its ability to point out just how absurd is the dominant Western Christian vision of a God who is supposedly pure love, yet who has higher priorities than to finally permeate all of creation with this love.

I applaud philosophies which rightly deconstruct this manifest absurdity.

But what we need now is not a philosophy devoid of theophany. What we need now is more of theophilosophy, such as we see in the work of Dr. Hart. We need to create a post-modern way of thinking which is capable of embracing the insights of science and philosophy without devolving into a purely modernistic-mechanistic view of the world. In this way we could have a post-modern metaphysics which accepts the best of the pre-modern and rejects the worst of the modern.

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It seems to me that most postmodern theology also robs us of the legitimate pleasure of the parochial and the local in religion, however big the bounds of our particular diocese. Without the reference of ultimate reality, the parochialism of religion is really suffocating--but so is every other finitude. The transcendent ground of Christianity, its utterly cosmic and transcosmic reaches, is what makes the peculiarity and particularity of the history of Jesus' incarnation so delightful; the historical tangibility of Jesus is what makes the ascendant Christ who fills all things with himself so mysterious, to borrow the logic of your essay's coincidentia oppositorum.

Also, for what it's worth, in the face of modernity's horrors which now ravage the world around us, it would be nice if a local god was not merely a mental and cultural construct consignable to oblivion by secular enlightenment, but rather someone who might actually do something about our terrestrial dumpster fire. This is why, for all the intellectual safety I find in an Origenian construction of the parousia, I still find the apocalyptic messianism of the earliest Christians commands my sympathy the way it does: it would be GREAT if God would actually do some of that smashing of the mighty and exaltation of the poor the prophets and the pseudepigraphers and the Evangelists are always going on about.

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