I am interested - no, I am curious - as to what your thoughts are on Maximus’ statement that the fall of Adam occurred “at the same instant he came to be”.
As one who seems to take Maximus at his word, would you say that his understanding is akin to your statement that The Fall is a cataclysm of the inauguration of the moral? Is it that any finite creature, upon its creation, falls away from the Divine?
Perhaps, this is the “Instant/cataclysm” in which the gnomic will is pulled into the equation - where we are cast from the garden and beckoned to return to our telos - the true Human Being: Jesus Christ.
I want to echo Rembert's (much more elegantly framed) praise of your engagement with Kevin—I was definitely struck by your good-natured patience throughout. I think this conversation could serve as an apt introduction to you and your work for lots of people who, like him, lack substantial acquaintance with your oeuvre or, indeed, the issues discussed here.
1) Very patient Basso continuo by David Bentley Hart: "You know...."
2) Short Riff by Kevin Gregorian: "Interesting.." -
3) Short Pause
4) da Capo al Fine
Well - that is about the form - but content wise the Basso continuo surprises with great short summaries and remarks. Well worth the 90 minutes of my lifetime and on top:
Some of the humor by DBH is so good - I vote for it to be extracted, canned, published, commented by Roland and canonised
Dr. Hart, in one of your lectures on YouTube you said something that stuck with me: "scripture is the testimony of a revelation, not a revelation unto itself." I find that extremely useful for looking at the Bible more honestly. As a result though, I wonder how we determine to what degree we cosign their way of thinking or what we consider authoratative. For example, no one in their right mind would agree to ancient cosmology (firmament, pillars of earth, stars as deities, sheol, etc). In your book Doors of the Sea, you conceded a sort of perceived dualism that presents itself in our experience due to evil. Do you subscribe to ideas of other elohim ("rulers, authorities, principalities") that imperfectly rule over creation (Dt 32 worldview)? For me at least, if you buy into that premise found throughout the scriptures and 2nd temple texts, it helps "makes sense" of the problem of evil.
Sorry if you find these questions tedious, but I often find your perspectives very helpful.
Your comments on faith remind me that I've never seen you comment on Kierkegaard. Granted, I've not read all your works or seen all your lectures or interviews. You quote or comment on Kant, Hegel, Neitzsche, and Heidegger (and others), but curiously nothing on SK. Would you mind correcting your oversight here in Leaves?
What? The garden of Eden didn't literally happen? I am shocked! (Doing my best Claude Rains from Casablanca impersonation)
I am interested - no, I am curious - as to what your thoughts are on Maximus’ statement that the fall of Adam occurred “at the same instant he came to be”.
As one who seems to take Maximus at his word, would you say that his understanding is akin to your statement that The Fall is a cataclysm of the inauguration of the moral? Is it that any finite creature, upon its creation, falls away from the Divine?
Perhaps, this is the “Instant/cataclysm” in which the gnomic will is pulled into the equation - where we are cast from the garden and beckoned to return to our telos - the true Human Being: Jesus Christ.
What is a better way of putting this? Anyone?
I want to echo Rembert's (much more elegantly framed) praise of your engagement with Kevin—I was definitely struck by your good-natured patience throughout. I think this conversation could serve as an apt introduction to you and your work for lots of people who, like him, lack substantial acquaintance with your oeuvre or, indeed, the issues discussed here.
Short Summery in musical terms
1) Very patient Basso continuo by David Bentley Hart: "You know...."
2) Short Riff by Kevin Gregorian: "Interesting.." -
3) Short Pause
4) da Capo al Fine
Well - that is about the form - but content wise the Basso continuo surprises with great short summaries and remarks. Well worth the 90 minutes of my lifetime and on top:
Some of the humor by DBH is so good - I vote for it to be extracted, canned, published, commented by Roland and canonised
Dr. Hart, in one of your lectures on YouTube you said something that stuck with me: "scripture is the testimony of a revelation, not a revelation unto itself." I find that extremely useful for looking at the Bible more honestly. As a result though, I wonder how we determine to what degree we cosign their way of thinking or what we consider authoratative. For example, no one in their right mind would agree to ancient cosmology (firmament, pillars of earth, stars as deities, sheol, etc). In your book Doors of the Sea, you conceded a sort of perceived dualism that presents itself in our experience due to evil. Do you subscribe to ideas of other elohim ("rulers, authorities, principalities") that imperfectly rule over creation (Dt 32 worldview)? For me at least, if you buy into that premise found throughout the scriptures and 2nd temple texts, it helps "makes sense" of the problem of evil.
Sorry if you find these questions tedious, but I often find your perspectives very helpful.
What? The Garden of Eden didn't actually happen? I am shocked! (Doing my best Claude Rains from Casablanca impersonation)
Your comments on faith remind me that I've never seen you comment on Kierkegaard. Granted, I've not read all your works or seen all your lectures or interviews. You quote or comment on Kant, Hegel, Neitzsche, and Heidegger (and others), but curiously nothing on SK. Would you mind correcting your oversight here in Leaves?
You're attached to the German department?