Thank you, Dr Hart, and many condolences on your loss, on our loss. Would you (or someone!) be able to provide a reference to the Peter Brown article you cite in the lecture, at approximately 17 mins in? Many thanks.
It was beautifully delivered despite the lack of audience. Thank you very much for taking the time to re-record the lecture during this difficult period.
I’m hyped for this lecture. I enjoyed You Are Gods, and I’m reading the Bride of The Lamb right now, thanks to Professor Hart’s recommendation. A well defined patristic/biblical Monism is so fascinating, and it is really deepening my understanding of the Christian Mystery.
Thanks for sharing this here and there, it's intresting to see you give a monolouge on the channel as opposed to the conversations , your note about Christ being the unity of the symbolized and the symbol, I think thats particularly important in the realm of icons and worship, Ibn Arabi and Shankara speaking about the love of God through all things but also at a more basic level of the inner and the manifest being one that you've written about before. I was thinking about this flipping through art that I recongized looking for something I did'nt and I was reminded of Plotinus saying that the arts are in some sense essentially apart of a man and so too they must be part of the absolute man,(I found that curious for a man who supposedly deined having a potrait made ) I think in a monistic lense and I find this echoed by many artists of all sorts when speaking about thire pratice that they are drawing in beyond words, using the sensible to pullin towards the unseen, creating a ''unity between the seer and the seen''. I'll have to check out the remaining lectures.
I am sure that I am expressing what your other readers/listeners think and feel; we understand what you are going through, and some of us have gone through or in the process of awaiting the loss of a beloved animal companion. Thank you for taking the time to share your lecture with us.
Wonderfully put David. I love your point (or rather, your speculative note) that perhaps Nicea truly did begin the long haul towards total cosmic disenchantment. This is something I have never thought about before, and would certainly strike against the claims of John Milbank and others that it was only in the precipice of Duns Scotus and a few others that the image of an enchanted cosmos began to fall out of favor.
I think I may speak for others as well that I would love to hear a recorded conversation between you and Fr. Behr on your agreements and disagreements. Would that ever be a possibility?
If only we could go back in time and show this to Parley and Orson Pratt to clear up some of their misconceptions and see what their minds could have done with it.
Many thanks for taking the time. This video format is very good. Some of the themes reminded me of a work by Charles Stang, “No Longer I” (2012)—his reading of Dionysius and in relation to Paul: "For Dionysius, deification consists in our becoming ‘co-workers with God,’ that is, becoming something through which the work of God (θεουργία [theourgía]) moves. Such movement presumes space, and so creation, as an ordered ‘theophany,’ a series of interlocking hierarchies, is the arrangement of distance that makes possible proximity." Stang, Apophasis and Pseudonymity in Dionysius the Areopagite: “No Longer I,” 115–16.
Thanks for this! My sympathy to you and your family - I find death very disorienting; and the opposite seems true of Roland's life , orienting you wonderfully well.
I have to listen carefully and ponder what I can catch fleetingly as you speak of act, imposition, space, paradox -- you are onto something... What I hear because of what you have written before, in particular about the language in Pauline usage, is brought forward well; I am straining for what more, next, or new you are saying now. Your conjunct and juxtapose of myth and metaphysics, as well as your using "frame" and "paradigm" may help me to think -- yet, in my sustained effort to grasp the Doctrine of the Trinity, since doing some post-graduate work, not now knowing what speaking toward a monism might mean leaves me at a momentary blank... I do believe you have something to say about Christology that equals what you have said about God, Apocalyptic, translation of the New Testament texts, and Life and Mind (language) repays the effort... I am looking forward to the rest of the series!
Thank you, Dr Hart, and many condolences on your loss, on our loss. Would you (or someone!) be able to provide a reference to the Peter Brown article you cite in the lecture, at approximately 17 mins in? Many thanks.
Perhaps this?
https://gwern.net/doc/history/1975-brown.pdf
Thank you!
I looked up the author. An impressive list of books. A new release, according to New York Review. Have you read this author?
He’s the most famous Christian historian in the Anglophone world, and a brilliant prose stylist to boot.
I read the article Jesse linked. I will look into his books!
It was beautifully delivered despite the lack of audience. Thank you very much for taking the time to re-record the lecture during this difficult period.
I’m hyped for this lecture. I enjoyed You Are Gods, and I’m reading the Bride of The Lamb right now, thanks to Professor Hart’s recommendation. A well defined patristic/biblical Monism is so fascinating, and it is really deepening my understanding of the Christian Mystery.
Thanks for sharing this here and there, it's intresting to see you give a monolouge on the channel as opposed to the conversations , your note about Christ being the unity of the symbolized and the symbol, I think thats particularly important in the realm of icons and worship, Ibn Arabi and Shankara speaking about the love of God through all things but also at a more basic level of the inner and the manifest being one that you've written about before. I was thinking about this flipping through art that I recongized looking for something I did'nt and I was reminded of Plotinus saying that the arts are in some sense essentially apart of a man and so too they must be part of the absolute man,(I found that curious for a man who supposedly deined having a potrait made ) I think in a monistic lense and I find this echoed by many artists of all sorts when speaking about thire pratice that they are drawing in beyond words, using the sensible to pullin towards the unseen, creating a ''unity between the seer and the seen''. I'll have to check out the remaining lectures.
Thanks Colin. The Eucharist comes to mind; our ‘bridge’ to the ineffable. The tangible a portal to the intangible.
I am sure that I am expressing what your other readers/listeners think and feel; we understand what you are going through, and some of us have gone through or in the process of awaiting the loss of a beloved animal companion. Thank you for taking the time to share your lecture with us.
Wonderfully put David. I love your point (or rather, your speculative note) that perhaps Nicea truly did begin the long haul towards total cosmic disenchantment. This is something I have never thought about before, and would certainly strike against the claims of John Milbank and others that it was only in the precipice of Duns Scotus and a few others that the image of an enchanted cosmos began to fall out of favor.
I think I may speak for others as well that I would love to hear a recorded conversation between you and Fr. Behr on your agreements and disagreements. Would that ever be a possibility?
If only we could go back in time and show this to Parley and Orson Pratt to clear up some of their misconceptions and see what their minds could have done with it.
Many thanks for taking the time. This video format is very good. Some of the themes reminded me of a work by Charles Stang, “No Longer I” (2012)—his reading of Dionysius and in relation to Paul: "For Dionysius, deification consists in our becoming ‘co-workers with God,’ that is, becoming something through which the work of God (θεουργία [theourgía]) moves. Such movement presumes space, and so creation, as an ordered ‘theophany,’ a series of interlocking hierarchies, is the arrangement of distance that makes possible proximity." Stang, Apophasis and Pseudonymity in Dionysius the Areopagite: “No Longer I,” 115–16.
Thanks for this! My sympathy to you and your family - I find death very disorienting; and the opposite seems true of Roland's life , orienting you wonderfully well.
I have to listen carefully and ponder what I can catch fleetingly as you speak of act, imposition, space, paradox -- you are onto something... What I hear because of what you have written before, in particular about the language in Pauline usage, is brought forward well; I am straining for what more, next, or new you are saying now. Your conjunct and juxtapose of myth and metaphysics, as well as your using "frame" and "paradigm" may help me to think -- yet, in my sustained effort to grasp the Doctrine of the Trinity, since doing some post-graduate work, not now knowing what speaking toward a monism might mean leaves me at a momentary blank... I do believe you have something to say about Christology that equals what you have said about God, Apocalyptic, translation of the New Testament texts, and Life and Mind (language) repays the effort... I am looking forward to the rest of the series!